So here’s what happened.
We sat down with Leo Babauta last week. About twenty-five minutes came through in the replay. The first fifteen didn’t. Substack swallowed the opening. Honestly, I was pretty gutted, and I sat with the recording for a few days wondering whether to share the replay at all.
Then I caught myself.
This was a conversation about beginning before you’re ready and shipping the imperfect thing. And I was about to scrap it because the recording wasn’t perfect lol.
Honestly, Leo’s been someone I’ve considered a friend for years now. So here it is.
Imperfect, missing the opening, but still some great food for thought, as Leo is one of the wisest dudes I know. I listen to what this guy has to say, and you should too.
A few things from this conversation I think are worth drawing attention to:
There’s a moment where Leo names a particular trap AI is setting for ambitious people, and and interesting framing. He calls Claude his “best cheerleader.” Why he frames that as a problem is the part you should check out.
Carolina asked him about fear and resistance. He answered with a sewing project he’s been working on for years. (Yes, sewing.) Where he took that, and how he tied it back to his own Substack, was also a great moment worth watching.
And toward the end, he answered a question about growth in a way you might not quite expect from someone who’s built the audience he has. The line started with “growth is a loaded topic for a lot of people.”
The whole thing runs about twenty-seven minutes.
If you’ve ever caught yourself opening twelve tabs because Claude told you all twelve ideas were brilliant, this one’s for you.
Phil (& Carolina)
Thank you Josh Woll, Noelle Richards, Rebecca Weston, Inge van de Graaf, Claire Machado, and many others for tuning into Sacred Business Stories with Leo Babauta and Carolina Wilke!
